Announcing .NET 5 Preview 4 and our journey to one .NET

Scott Hunter [MSFT]

Scott

.NET 5 is the next version and future of .NET. We are continuing the journey of unifying the .NET platform, with a single framework that extends from cloud to desktop to mobile and beyond. Looking back, we took the best of .NET Framework and put that into .NET Core 3, including support for WPF and Windows Forms. As we continue the journey, we will move Xamarin and .NET web assembly to use the .NET 5 libraries, and extend the dotnet tools to target mobile and web assembly in the browser. At the same time, we’ll continue to improve .NET capabilities as a leading cloud and container runtime.

You can tune in to hear Scott Hanselman and I talk about .NET 5 and beyond in our “The Journey to One .NET” talk today.

We want to hear from you! Share your feedback about .NET 5 at https://aka.ms/dotnet5_feedback_blog. We greatly value your feedback and use it to help make decisions on the future of .NET.

Last year, we laid out our vision for one .NET and .NET 5. we said we would take .NET Core and Mono/Xamarin implementations and unify them into one base class library (BCL) and toolchain (SDK). In the wake of the global health pandemic, we’ve had to adapt to the changing needs of our customers and provide the support needed to assist with their smooth operations. Our efforts continue to be anchored in helping our customers address their most urgent needs. As a result, we expect these features to be available in preview by November 2020, but the unification will be truly completed with .NET 6, our Long-Term Support (LTS) release. Our vision hasn’t changed, but our timeline has.

We remain committed to one .NET platform and will deliver a quality .NET 5 release in November this year. You’ll continue to see a wave of innovation happening with multiple previews on the journey to one .NET.

Download Preview 4

You can download .NET 5.0 Preview 4, for Windows, macOS, and Linux:

ASP.NET Core, and EF Core are also being released today. PowerShell has a .NET 5-based release today and now releases on the .NET schedule.

You need Visual Studio 2019 16.6 or later versions to use .NET 5.0. To use .NET 5.0 with Visual Studio Code, install the latest version of the C# extension. .NET 5.0 isn’t yet supported with Visual Studio for Mac.

Release notes:

.NET 5 Highlights

Let’s take a look at some of the release highlights that we expect to deliver with .NET 5, in November. Many of these changes are included, in part or in full, in Preview 4. The highlights will paint a clearer picture on the improvements you’ll get to take advantage of in your development process and in production when you adopt .NET 5.

I’ll share some more detailed information about some of these improvements, and where we see them headed.

.NET 5.0 Target Framework

We are changing the approach we use for target frameworks with .NET 5.0. The following two project file examples demonstrate using .NET Core 3.1 and .NET 5.0 target frameworks, by specifying the respective Target Framework Moniker (TFM). You can see a new, more compact, TFM for .NET 5.0:

.NET Core 3.0:

<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">

  <PropertyGroup>
    <OutputType>Exe</OutputType>
    <TargetFramework>netcoreapp3.1</TargetFramework>
  </PropertyGroup>

</Project>

.NET 5.0:

<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">

  <PropertyGroup>
    <OutputType>Exe</OutputType>
    <TargetFramework>net5.0</TargetFramework>
  </PropertyGroup>

</Project>

We are making several important changes to .NET TFMs for .NET 5.0, to simplify using them, reduce concepts, and to make it easier to expose operating-system-specific APIs.

Here is a quick summary:

Targeting API versions will be simpler with .NET going forward. We won’t have two families of TFMs, like: netcoreapp3.1 and netstandard2.0. Instead, we’ll have just one, like: net5.0, and net6.0. That’s because there is just one .NET implementation going forward, so there is no longer a need for .NET Standard (which made libraries compatible across multiple .NET products). You’ll also be able to target operating system APIs, with a small extension to the TFM, like net5.0-windows and net6.0-android. We’ll also remove the different SDKs from new project files, like Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk.WindowsDesktop" since net5.0-windows, for example, will provide the same information. The biggest win is that by targeting net5.0, you get access to 100% of cross-platform APIs, not the subset that happened to be in .NET Standard. It will always be obvious which TFM to use (it’s either portable code or OS-specific), and you’ll never have to wait for APIs like Span<T> to be available.

Here are the details:

  • net5.0 is the new Target Framework Moniker (TFM) for .NET 5.0.
  • net5.0 combines and replaces the netcoreappand netstandard TFMs.
  • net5.0 supports .NET Framework compatibility mode
  • net5.0-windows will be used to expose Windows-specific functionality, like Windows Forms and WPF.
  • .NET 6.0 will use the same approach, with net6.0 and will add net6.0-ios and net6.0-android.
  • The OS-specific TFMs can include OS version numbers, like net6.0-ios14.
  • Portable frameworks, like ASP.NET Core and Xamarin.Forms, will be usable with net5.0.

These changes are a result of thinking of .NET Core as the future of .NET. We’ve been removing the “Core” name from various aspects of the product, including APIs and container repos. We also saw an opportunity to further simplify .NET, by removing .NET Standard as a concept, for .NET 5.0+. .NET Standard has played a key role in establishing .NET Core, by creating a bridge with .NET Framework and Xamarin. The .NET Standard 2.0 version will remain relevant for many years, and we recommend you use it if you need to support .NET Framework. For apps and libraries that don’t need to run on .NET Framework, we recommend targeting the net5.0 TFM, which will give you access to the largest set of cross-platform APIs. For Xamarin, .NET Standard 2.0 and 2.1 remain relevant, however, once Xamarin is integrated into .NET as part of .NET 6.0, then it will switch to net6.0 TFMs, and developers will target .NET Standard 2.0 exclusively for .NET Framework compatibility.

You likely have more questions you want answered. We’ll be publishing a larger blog post on this topic before we release .NET 5.0. The following points answer some of the most obvious remaining questions:

  • netcoreapp5.0 was used in earlier previews and is no longer supported, however still works.
  • Existing .NET Standard versions will work forever, and their continued use is supported.
  • We don’t expect to create any new netstandard versions. .NET Standard 2.1 will likely be the last version.
  • There are no plans for a net5.0-linux TFM since we don’t (yet) expose any Linux-specific APIs. Also, “Linux” is not a single uniform quantity, so it is unclear which APIs would be exposed in such a TFM. We could expose the POSIX standard, but then we’d call it net5.0-posix, and it would work on operating systems other than just Linux. However, we don’t have plans for that either.
  • We do not plan to expose a TFM for web assembly, for similar reasons as described for Linux.
  • You cannot update the TargetFrameworkVersion in a .NET Framework project to 5.0 and expect it to become a .NET 5.0 project. It will not work. Instead, you need to port your application to .NET Core. For libraries, you can port to .NET Standard or .NET Core. We are no longer adding .NET Framework APIs to .NET Core, so there is no need to wait to port your application to .NET Core.
  • The new TFM plan is a foundational part of the workloads project. We will add minimal support for workloads in .NET 5.0 and then implement the complete vision in .NET 6.0.

C# 9

.NET 5 includes C# 9. C# 9 will have numerous features including Records, top-level statements, improved pattern matching, and much more. Here’s a sneak peek of some of the pattern matching improvements coming in the first preview:

You can play with this same code and experiment on your own at Sharplab.io.

To learn all about what’s coming with C# 9, check out Welcome to C# 9.

Windows Forms Designer for .NET Core Released

Today we’re happy to announce that the Windows Forms designer for .NET Core projects is now available as a preview in Visual Studio 2019 version 16.6! We also have a newer version of the designer available in Visual Studio 16.7 Preview 1!

To enable the designer in Visual Studio, go to Tools > Options > Environment > Preview Features and select the Use the preview Windows Forms designer for .NET Core apps option.

The new designer supports all Windows Forms controls, except DataGridView and ToolStripContainer (coming soon). It include all other designer functionality you would expect, including: drag-and-drop, selection, move and resize, cut/copy/paste/delete of controls, integration with the Properties Window, events generation and more. Data binding and support for third party controls are coming soon.

Image designer

Windows ARM64

.NET apps can now run natively on Windows ARM64. This follows the support we added for Linux ARM64 in .NET Core 3.0. With .NET 5.0, you can develop web and UI apps on Windows ARM64 devices, and deliver your applications to users who own Surface Pro X and similar devices. You can already run .NET Core and .NET Framework apps on Windows ARM64, but via x86 emulation. It’s workable, but native ARM64 execution has much better performance.

You can download and use the .NET 5.0 SDK on ARM64 with today’s preview 4 release. Currently, only Console and ASP.NET Core apps are supported. See .NET 5.0 ARM64 tracking issue to track progress.

The master branch adds support for Windows Forms. This changes may make it into Preview 5, but Preview 6 for sure. You can download a master branch build from dotnet/installer.

At present, you need to download and expand .zip files for ARM64. We intend to add ARM64 MSIs for the final .NET 5 release.

We have been working closely with the PowerShell team to validate and enable PowerShell 7.1 on Windows ARM64. The team has had Windows ARM64 “experimental” builds for some time and intends to support PowerShell 7.1 on Windows ARM64, when they release. PowerShell 7.1 is built on .NET 5.0, and should be released around the same time.

The following image demonstrate the Conway’s Game of life VB and Windows Forms sample running on Windows ARM64.

2020-05-15

ARM64 Performance

We’ve been investing significantly in improving ARM64 performance, for over a year. We’re committed to making ARM64 a high-performance platform with .NET. Platform portability and consistency have always been compelling characteristics of .NET. This includes offering great performance wherever you use .NET. With .NET Core 3.x, ARM64 has had functionality parity with x64 but was missing some key performance features and investments. We’re making the first big investments in ARM64 performance in .NET 5.0.

There are several categories of improvements we’re making:

  • Tune JIT optimizations for ARM64 (example)
  • Enable and take advantage of ARM64 hardware intrinsics (example).
  • Adjust performance-critical algorithms in libraries for ARM64 (example).

See Improving ARM64 Performance in .NET 5.0 to track our progress.

Hardware intrinsics are a low-level performance feature we added in .NET Core 3.0. At the time, we added support for x64 instructions and chips. As part of .NET 5.0, we are extending the feature to support ARM64. Just creating the intrinsics doesn’t help performance. You need to use them in performance-critical code. We’ve taken advantage of ARM64 intrinsics extensively in .NET libraries in .NET 5.0. You can also do this in your own code, although you need to be be familiar with CPU instructions to do so.

I’ll explain how hardware intrinsics work with an analogy. For the most part, developers rely on types and APIs built into .NET, like String.Split or HttpClient. Those APIs often take advantage of native operating system APIs, via the P/Invoke feature. P/Invoke enables high-performance native interop, and is used extensively in the BCL for that purpose. You can use this same feature yourself to call native APIs. Hardware intrinsics are similar, except instead of calling operating system APIs, they enable you to directly use CPU instructions in your code. It’s roughly equivalent to a .NET version of C++ intrinsics. Hardware intrinsics are best thought of as a CPU hardware-acceleration feature. They provide very tangible benefits, are now a key part of the performance substrate of the .NET libraries, and responsible for many of the benefits you read about in our performance blog posts. In terms of comparison to C++, when .NET intrinsics are AOT-compiled into Ready-To-Run files, the intrinics have no runtime performance penalty.

Note: The Visual C++ compiler has an analogous intrinsics feature. You can directly compare C++ to .NET hardware intrinsics, as you can see if you search for _mm_i32gather_epi32 at System.Runtime.Intrinsics.X86.Avx2, x64 (amd64) intrinsics list, and Intel Intrinsics guide. You will see a lot of similarity.

We’re making our first big investments in ARM64 performance in 5.0, but will continue this effort in subsequent releases. We work directly with engineers from ARM Holdings to prioritize product improvements and to design algorithms that best take advantage of the ARMv8 ISA. Some of these improvements will accrue value to ARM32, however, we are not applying unique effort to ARM32.

Please share any performance information with us related to ARM64, either a notable improvement from 3.1 to 5.0, or performance with 5.0 that should be better.

P95+ Latency

We see an increasing number of large internet-facing sites and services being hosted on .NET. While there is a lot of legitimate focus on the requests per second (RPS) metric, we find that very few big site owners ask us about that or require millions of RPS. We hear a lot about latency, however, specifically about improving P95 or P99 latency. Often, the number of machines or cores that are provisioned for (and biggest cost driver of) a site are chosen based on achieving a specific P95 metric, as opposed to say P50. We think of latency as being the true “money metric”.

Our friends at Stack Overflow do a great job of sharing data on their service. One of their engineers, Nick Craver, recently shared improvements they saw to latency, as a result of moving to .NET Core:

While you can see that we’ve been making good progress on latency, we’re far from satisfied. In the (distant) past, we built features like server GC and background GC to improve latency, by taking advantage of course-grained CPU features like multiple-cores and threads, respectively. Those remain very important, however, we need to get a lot more creative to significantly improve latency moving forward, at least as it relates to the GC. We have started multiple projects along those lines.

Pinned objects have been a long-term challenge for GC performance, specifically because they accelerate (or cause) memory fragmentation. We’ve added a new GC heap for pinned objects. The pinned object heap is based on the assumption that there are very few pinned objects in a process but that their presence causes disproportionate performance challenges. It makes sense to move pinned objects — particularly those created by .NET libraries as an implementation detail — to a unique area, leaving the generational GC heaps with few or no pinned objects, and with substantially higher performance as a result.

More recently, we’ve been attacking long-standing “hard problems” in the GC. dotnet/runtime #2795 applies a new approach to GC statics scanning that avoids lock contention when it is determining liveness of GC heap objects. dotnet/coreclr #25986 uses a new algorithm for balancing GC work across cores during the mark phase of garbage collection, which should increase the throughput of garbage collection with large heaps, which in turn reduces latency.

Containers

We consider containers to be the most important cloud trend, and have been investing significantly in this modality. We are investing in containers in at least four different ways, at multiple levels of the .NET software stack.

The first is our investment in fundamentals. It’s a bit odd to claim credit for these investments, since they also benefit non-containerized workloads. What might not be obvious is that more and more of the feedback we receive that influences our fundamentals investment is coming from developers who deploy containerized apps. There is a bias to containers with these investments.

We are working on making .NET perform better in containers. We heard reports about poor performance related to a change in .NET Core 3.1 late last year (which was later reverted). We are now investigating the performance of using .NET in high-density and other configurations to help inform what we expect will be a relatively scoped set of changes that unlocks the next significant performance improvements in containers. It should be noted that .NET Core 3.0 was a very big release for .NET and containers, with the 3.1 issue being a small (and short-lived) blip.

We are always looking for opportunities to improve the images we publish. This includes reducing image size, but also extending the set of images we publish. We have decided to start publishing Windows Server Core images based on feedback we heard on GitHub and other sources. The following is an example Dockerfile that will be used when we start publishing these images. We’ve made other changes that reduce the size of Windows Server Core images, making them more attractive to use.

Last, we are working to make it easier to work with container orchestrators and similar environments. We are adding support for OpenTelemetry out of the box so that you can capture distributed traces and metrics from your application. We are also working on a new set of experimental tools in the dotnet/tye repo that are intended to improve microservices developer productivity, both for development and deploying to a Kubernetes environment.

Improving tiered compilation performance

We’ve been working on improving tiered compilation for multiple releases. We continue to see it as a critical performance feature, for both startup and steady-state performance. We’ve made two big improvements to tiered compilation this release.

The primary mechanism underlying tiered compilation is call counting. Once a method is called n times, the runtime asks the JIT to recompile the method at higher quality. From our earliest performance analyses, we knew that the call-counting mechanism was too slow (from a long-term standpoint), but didn’t see a straightforward way to resolve that. As part of .NET 5.0, we’ve improved the call counting mechanism used by tiered JIT compilation to smooth out performance during startup. In past releases, we’ve seen reports of unpredictable performance during the first 10-15s of process lifetime (mostly for web servers). That should now be resolved. Please test it and tell us what you see.

Another performance challenge we found was using tiered compilation for methods with loops. The fundamental problem is that you can have a cold method (only called once or a few times; < n) with a loop that iterates a million times. A great example of this pathological case is the Program.Main method of an application. As a result, we disabled tiered compilation for methods with loops by default. Instead, we enabled applications to opt into using tiered compilation for methods with loops. PowerShell is an application that chose to do this, after seeing high single-digit performance improvements in some scenarios.

To address methods with loops better, we implemented on-stack replacement (OSR). This is similar to a feature that the Java Virtual Machines has, of the same name. OSR enables code executed by a currently running method to be re-compiled in the middle of method execution, while those methods are active “on-stack”. This feature is currently experimental and opt-in (on x64).

To use OSR, multiple features must be enabled. The PowerShell project file is a good starting point. You will notice that tiered compilation and all quick-jit features are enabled. In addition, you need to set COMPlus_TC_OnStackReplacement=1 (its an environment variable).

Alternatively, you can set the following two environment variables, assuming all other settings have their default values:

  • COMPlus_TC_QuickJitForLoops=1
  • COMPlus_TC_OnStackReplacement=1

We do not intend to enable OSR by default in .NET 5.0 and have not yet decided if we will support it in production. Please give us any and all feedback you have on the feature. We are actively testing it now and will share more insights on it later.

Single file applications

There are key scenarios where people want to use .NET where single-file distribution is a requirement, or at least preferred. We’ve been building up the key pieces that we need to enable this scenario over multiple releases, and will be including a new single file publish type in .NET 5.0. It’s a feature we expect to continue to refine over multiple releases.

There are two aspects that make this feature expensive to build:

  • Accounting for different feature sets and constraints on Linux and Windows for loading executable content out of native resources.
  • Ensuring that the debugger provides a multi-file-like experience for single-file applications.

For scoping purposes, we are supporting this feature on X64, for .NET 5.0, on Windows and Linux. It will work for ARM32/64 apps, however, we are not actively validating single files apps for the ARM architecture this release. Both runtime-dependent and self-contained publish types will be supported for single-file.

The experience between Windows and Linux is similar, but not the same. The differences are primarily relevant for self-contained single file applications, as described in the Single-file publish design doc:

  • Single-file publish Linux: dotnet publish -r linux-x64 /p:PublishSingleFile=true
    • Published files: HelloWorld, HelloWorld.pdb
  • Single-file publish Windows: dotnet publish -r win-x64 /p:PublishSingleFile=true
    • Published files: HelloWorld.exe, HelloWorld.pdb, coreclr.dll, clrjit.dll, clrcompression.dll, mscordaccore.dll

As you can see, on Windows, single-file self-contained applications require four additional files beyond the app. We were not able to include these runtime files into the single file app. We do not currently have a technical plan for hiding these extra files on Windows, even though we understand that it would be preferred.

Note: .pdb files are required only for debugging scenarios, and mscordaccore.dll is required to collect crash dumps, including by Windows Error Reporting (AKA “Watson”).

Improving migration from NewtonSoft.Json to System.Text.Json

We added System.Text.Json as part of the .NET Core 3.0 release. It provides significant performance improvements over Newtonsoft.Json, which has been the go-to Json library for .NET for many years. In some cases, it is hard to migrate to System.Text.Json, even with the migration guide we’ve provided. We’ve been working on targeted features that enable easier migration, without giving up on the performance value proposition of System.Text.Json.

We’ve added the following migration features with .NET 5.0:

At the same time, we’re also improving the usability of System.Text.Json:

WinRT Interop

We are moving to a new model for supporting WinRT APIs as part of .NET 5.0. This includes calling APIs (in either direction; CLR <==> WinRT), marshaling of data between the two type systems, and unification of types that are intended to be treated the same across the boundary (i.e. “projected types”; IEnumerable<T> and IIterable<T> are examples).

We will rely on a new set of WinRT tools provided by the WinRT team in Windows that will generate C#-based WinRT interop assemblies. We are currently working closely with that team. The tools and the assemblies generated by them will be delivered for .NET 5.0.

There are several benefits to the new system:

  • Can be developed and improved separate from the .NET runtime.
  • Symmetrical with interop systems provided for other OSes, like iOS and Android.
  • Can take advantage of many other .NET features (AOT, C# features, IL linking).
  • Simplifies the .NET runtime codebase.

We will be removing the existing WinRT interop system from the .NET runtime (and any other associated components) as part of .NET 5.0. This means that apps using WinRT with .NET Core 3.x will need to be rebuilt and will not run on .NET 5.0 as-is.

Open source project improvements

We care a lot about open source, including enabling the .NET community to be productive on GitHub, and making .NET projects accessible to a large set of developers. We’ve been working on a variety of initiatives along those lines.

dotnet/source-build enables building the entire .NET project/product from source with a single command. Red Hat uses this project to build the version of .NET Core that they distribute, and we work closely with them on that. Fedora also uses source-build to enable .NET Core in their package repositories. We want to make it straightforward for any developer, organization or company to use source-build, and are investing significantly in the project. You can follow the .NET 5.0 source-build effort directly.

We started out the .NET Core project with too many GitHub repos. At its high, we had over 100 repos. That was too many to make sense to anyone, including the .NET Team. As part of the .NET 5.0 project, we decided to reduce the number of repos to a small and manageable collection. We announced our intention to consolidate .NET repos in August, 2019, and then provided a final update on the plan the following October. As part of that plan, we merged many repos together and almost all .NET repos are now in dotnet org, including dotnet/aspnetcore. We retained repo history as part of the effort, which had some funny side-effects. We continue to use the old repos for servicing the 2.1 and 3.1 product versions. MSBuild and NuGet client repos remain in other orgs.

We are also working on reducing build times for most repos. Quicker build times make everyone more productive, and enable you to see PR build results quicker. This is a longer-term effort, and a theme that will repeat in subsequent releases. You can track progress at .NET 5 Build Time Reduction Status.

We largely focus on improving the product, but are more recently turning our attention to improving the .NET open source project for contributors and other participants. We recently asked for feedback on improving the project and the experience participating in .NET repos. It is important to us that everyone feels like they have a voice (on project-related topics) on .NET project repos, that they are treated well, and that they can accomplish their goals. That doesn’t mean we accept every PR or suggestion filed as an issue. As it relates to our approach, we intend to use clear language, be neutral to kind in our engagement, and encourage contribution. Are we getting this right? What would you like to see us do differently or better? Please give us your feedback on our repo contribution experience survey.

We have been asked multiple times to clarify and liberalize .NET Core licenses. We’ve done that, each time moving source and binary assets to the MIT license. More recently, we’ve clarified the license we use for .NET Windows builds. For most users, these changes won’t matter much, but for others, they do, and we’ve done our best to satisfy their needs.

New improvements in Preview 4

The following improvements are new in Preview 4 and not otherwise covered in the earlier highlights section.

F# 5

Building on the F# 5 preview released earlier this year, the update to F# 5 includes support for consuming Default Interface Methods (DIMs) and some big performance improvements. Here’s a sneak peek at the DIMs support in F#:

You can read more with the F# 5 update for .NET 5 preview 4 post.

C# Source Generators update

This release also includes an update to the C# Source Generators preview. In addition to some bug fixes, it includes support for passing an analyzerconfig, which is essentially a list of key-value pairs, to a Source Generator. This lets your source generators work differently based on the input they recieve. For example, you may want to generate source code differently if a consuming project targets .NET Framework vs. .NET 5. Using an analyzerconfig allows you to pass information like a consuming project’s TFM to allow for exactly this scenario.

Support for ICU on Windows

We use the ICU library that provides Unicode and Globalization support for applications on Linux and macOS. We are now using this same library on Windows. This change makes the behavior of globalization APIs such as culture-specific string comparison consistent between Windows 10 and other operating systems.

Support for cgroup v2 (for containers)

.NET now has support for cgroup v2, which we expect will become an important container-related API in 2020 and beyond. Docker currently uses cgroup v1 (which is already supported by .NET). In comparison, cgroup v2 is simpler, more efficient, and more secure than cgroup v1. You can learn more about cgroup and Docker resource limits from our 2019 Docker update. Linux distros and containers runtimes are in the process of adding support for cgroup v2. .NET 5.0 will work correctly in cgroup v2 environments once they become more common. Credit to Omair Majid, who supports .NET at Red Hat.

Reducing the size of container images

We are always looking for opportunities to make .NET container images smaller and easier to use. We made a change in Preview 4 that dramatically reduces the size of the aggregate images you pull in multi-stage-build scenarios (which is a very common pattern). We re-based the SDK image on top of the ASP.NET image instead of buildpack-deps.

This change has the following win for multi-stage builds (example usage in Dockerfile):

Multi-stage build costs with Ubuntu 20.04 Focal:

Pull ImageBeforeAfter
sdk:5.0-focal268 MB232 MB
aspnet:5.0-focal64 MB10 KB (manifest only)

Net download savings: 100 MB (-30%)

Multi-stage build costs with Debian 10 Buster:

Pull ImageBeforeAfter
sdk:5.0280 MB218 MB
aspnet:5.084 MB4 KB (manifest only)

Net download savings: 146 MB (-40%)

See dotnet/dotnet-docker #1814 for more detailed information.

This change helps multi-stage builds, where the sdk and the aspnet or runtime image you are targeting are the same version (we expect that this is the common case). With this change, the aspnet pull (for example), will be a no-op, because you will have pulled the aspnet layers via the initial sdk pull.

If you want a bit more context, keep reading. For 3.1 and prior, the SDK is based on the buildpack-deps image. When we started producing container images, we noticed other development platforms using buildpack-deps as the base of their tools/SDK images, so we followed the established pattern. We have specifically relied on the scm layer, which includes source-control tools and is based on the curl layer, which includes curl and similar network tools. That means that all those tools have been available to you in the SDK images. Unfortunately, this approach has come with a big tradeoff. Since Docker only allows for a single line of inheritance (each image can only have one parent), the sdk image needs to carry its own copy of ASP.NET, and Docker doesn’t see the actually identical ASP.NET bytes in the sdk image as the same as the ones in the aspnet image. That situation requires a lot of wasted bytes to be stored and transferred. On the other hand, people don’t want to give up using the tools provided by buildpack-deps.

As a compromise position, we re-based the sdk image on aspnet, added some of the tools back, while retaining 90+% of the size savings.

This explanation is descriptive of what we did for Ubuntu. The story with Debian is more complicated, and responsible for the larger size win. In short, the Debian variants of aspnet and runtime are based on the -slim Debian variant, while buildpack-deps is based on the non-slim Debian images. That means that for multi-stage builds with Debian, that you pull Debian twice! Even the distro layer hasn’t been shared until now.

We made similar changes for Alpine and Nano Server. There is no buildpack-deps image for either Alpine or Nano Server. However, the sdk images for Alpine and Nano Server were not previously built on top of the ASP.NET image. We fixed that. You will see significant size wins for Alpine and Nano Server as well with 5.0, for multi-stage builds.

We’ve known about these problems for a long time, but they had never been the next thing to go resolve. We decided that the 5.0 release was a good time to chase these size wins. Please tell us if there are any rough edges that we didn’t expect.

.NET 5.0 will switch to the dotnet container repo

As part of the move to “.NET” as the product name, we are now publishing .NET 5.0 Preview 4 and later images to the mcr.microsoft.com/dotnet family of repos, instead of mcr.microsoft.com/dotnet/core. Please update your FROM statements and scripts accordingly. .NET Core 3.1 and 2.1 will continue to be published to mcr.microsoft.com/dotnet/core. See dotnet/dotnet-docker #1939 for more information.

Closing

.NET 5.0 is shaping up to be another big foundational release, much like .NET Core 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0. It includes many new improvements that should make your applications and development process better and easier. Much of the team has been working on .NET 5 since before we released .NET Core 3.0. We’ve been looking forward to releasing all these improvements in a near-final form for many months, and will now watch for your feedback as you try them out.

As you can see from the product investments we’ve chosen, we’re focused on modern scenarios, and giving you straightforward and predictable solutions that power the portfolio of applications you need, to run your business or organization. It’s critical to us that you give us feedback to help us improve the features that you’ve read about here, but also with that you’d like to see next. As you may have seen earlier in the post, we’re already deep into planning the .NET 6.0 release, so its not too early to give us future-looking feedback.

Please Share your feedback about .NET at https://aka.ms/dotnet5_feedback_blog.

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  • James Wil
    James Wil

    Have you gave up on AOT compilation?
    I see no mention at all, this is quite concerning..

    Cloud native and no AOT? always need to wait multiple minutes to restart services?

    ARM64 and no AOT? mobile/tablet/laptop need waste battery recompiling same code over and over?

    I don’t understand microsoft’s goal, green revolution when?

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    ysmoradi

    I understand Microsoft is not providing any specific api for web assembly, but if you provide net5.0-wasm, we can create a nuget package which uses another nuget package, only for its wasm target or for non wasm targets based on requirements.
    For example, at the moment, Xamarin Essentials has no support for wasm, but does support windows/android/iOS, so in my nuget package, I can use Xamarin Essentials for android/iOS/windows builds of my nuget package, and someone who uses my nuget package in his blazor app, is not forced to push xamarin essentials dll to client side browser!

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        ysmoradi

        Imaging I’m creating a nuget package which wraps Xamarin Essentials’ Preferences and Blazored/LocalStorage.
        I could do followings in my nuget package’s csproj file:

        PackageReference Include=”Xamarin.Essentials” Version=”1.5.3.2″ Condition=” ‘$(TargetFramework)’ == ‘net5.0-android’ OR ‘$(TargetFramework)’ == ‘net5.0-iOS’ OR ‘$(TargetFramework)’ == ‘net5.0-Windows'”

        PackageReference Include=”Blazored.LocalStorage” Version=”2.1.5.0″ Condition=” ‘$(TargetFramework)’ == ‘net5.0-wasm’

        Then I publish “EasyLocalStorage” nuget package which works across web/android/iOS/Windows and in android version of the apps which is using this nuget package, you won’t see Blazored.LocalStorage! and in blazor app which is using this nuget package, you won’t see Xamarin.Essentials!

        Could you please handle such a scenario with “runtime-specific assets for wasm” ?!

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    Greg Ingram

    It was mentioned in last post Java interoperability will not make it in .NET 5 release. Are there any commitments to include in .NET 6? BTW… Build 2020 announcements are great so far and looking forward to the the .NET specific sessions 🙂 Thank you teams!

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      Richard LanderMicrosoft logo

      Any new language interop will not be in .NET 5. We need to get Xamarin Android integrated into .NET 6.0, first. We’d love to hear more about people’s needs for Java interop.

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        Ian Marteens

        Most fintech software is written in Java. I’m forced to use a Java library, for instance, for calculating margins for portfolios cleared at the London Clearing House. I used to translate about 8 different JAR’s using IKVM. I cannot use any replacement, since the library and the algorithms are property of LCH. The day they change from Java 8 to a more recent Java, that day my own software will loose the ability to deal with LCH portfolios.

        In fewer words, let’s face it: Java has been the dominant programming language in fintech for most than a decade (no matter how I hate Java).

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        Wesley Davis

        It’s very important. The national security sector has a lot of investment in java (it’s kind of a religion – but Oracle’s nonsense was a big speed bump there). Some things on the backend, like Hadoop and Accumulo for huge data storage and retrieval, are best done in Java at this point. The middle tier of business logic – and web work – would be better, sometimes by far, done in .NET core (2+) with interop in 5 or 6 making a huge difference.

        I see this as being able to sell a lot of Microsoft technology, into the mix, along with using code spaces and Visual Studio 2019+ in software development. I don’t know how the government’s Azure – AWS (Oracle being a spoiler) buy will play out, but it would be much nicer to deploy using Microsoft technology. I’ve had to do Java at times, and it is a lot of steps backwards. I see interop as helping Microsoft a great deal with little downside. These huge distributed systems, are something that would greatly benefit from smooth interop. I’d settle for interop at the jar level, similar to the old COM-.NET interterop of the .net 1.0/1.1 days where it also saved a lot of grief and made the adoption of .NET a lot easier to sell. So that’s the benchmark.

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        Milbrandt Volker

        Today we’re using Java/C++ interop with JNI. But several newer components in our corporation written in .NET we have to use, our demand is to access .NET libraries from Java (currently still 8), hopefully soon 11).
        The long way round Java -JNI-> C++ -> C++/CLI -> .NET library is rather cumbersome.

        And as major part of the existing source are Java (about 32 MB) it is not an option to port the complete application to .NET.

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        Junjie Tan

        Firstly, C# is a great language.

        But some of our old libraries were written in java, we couldn’t migrate all libraries to .net core. It will cost us a lot of time, and we won’t be able to ensure that the migrated library will be exactly the same as the one we used before.

        IKVM.net is a good experiment, but it’s not good enough. It’s not convenient enough to use, and it only runs on Windows.

        I think it helps to build an ecosystem that will bring more developers into the .NET community.

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        Wayne Citrin

        It appears that someone replied to your comment just yesterday, so it’s probably not too late to point out here that commercial products like JNBridge provide fine-grained and high-performance Java/.NET interop like many of these commenters are asking for. If you look at the JNBridge website, you’ll see that the product is used in applications in both the fintech and national security sectors, among many others.

        The JNBridge interop product works with .NET Core 3.0 and 3.1, and our tests with .NET 5 preview suggest that it will work fine with .NET 5 upon release.

        So until Java/.NET interop is built into .NET 6 or something later, there are still alternatives.

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    Richard Deeming

    The lack of SSRS support is the biggest thing preventing us from moving to .NET Core, and it looks like that won’t change with .NET 5.

    Aside from a request on the Azure feedback site, which has been “under review” since February 2018 with no progress, there doesn’t seem to be any interest in doing anything about this. The GitHub issues are closed as “duplicate” of another GitHub issue which was closed as “not relevant”, with users being told to vote for the Azure request.

    Guess we’re stuck on .NET Framework 4.8 forever. 🙁

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        Andres

        It is important, but not time critical yet. Our company relies on in-house developed Excel VSTOs. It’s essential to have upgrade path from WebBrowser control to modern WebView2. Using C# and Visual Studio debugger is fantastic for productivity. For example we used Excel + Azure Mobile Services for occasionally connected scenario (two-way backend syncing) and it went great. It is important to have access to .NET and Azure innovations using VSTOs and C# in the future also (edit: grpc short term, long term – who knows).

        It’s also important for us to have the environment/setup as simple as possible: we have very small team 😉 and it would be far more productive for us to bring everything over to modern .NET and keep using C#.

        There’s also a Visual Studio idea/issue
        https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com/idea/757925/please-port-visual-studio-tools-for-office-vsto-to.html

        “.NET everywhere!” sounds much better when it also includes Office :).

        Thank you all for modern .NET!

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        Melvyn Laïly

        This would also be an important point for us, as we share code between multiple actively developed desktop applications, one of them being an Outlook add-in. (Well, it’s based on add-in express because VSTO didn’t quite work for us, but I hope if one supports .NET Core/5/6, the other will follow…)

        I’m afraid we will be stuck with .NET Framework and .NET Standard 2.0 for all our apps sharing common code, because of this one add-in.

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    Denis Kotov

    net5.0-android and net5.0-ios will be provided ?

    Or should we wait for net6.0-android and net6.0-ios ? But if yes, than I do not understand how you add Xamarin support for .NET 5 ?

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      Richard LanderMicrosoft logo

      Still a little TBD, but I’ll tell you what we intend to happen:

      • net5.0-ios (and android) will exist in .NET 5.0, but only for testing and so that we can release a preview.
      • net6.0-ios (and android) will be supported with 6.0
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      Richard LanderMicrosoft logo

      It depends on what you mean.

      All .NET Core projects will eventually need to be ported to .NET 6.0. Moving to .NET 6.0 from .NET Core 3.1, for example, should be easy. In many cases, it will just required updating the target framework.

      .NET Framework apps can be moved to .NET 5.0+, but there is so requirement to do so. You can stay using .NET Framework as long as you want.

      • James Battaglia Jr
        James Battaglia Jr

        Ah, ok. Currently, building. Net 3.5 projects running on ARM using mono. Sounds like nothing will have to change for this case and when migration to newer versions takes place. Thanks

  • Michal Dobrodenka
    Michal Dobrodenka

    Thank you for great release!

    I would like to see also some love for ARM32 (ARMv7). From some first numbers from preview versions I saw that .NET5 Preview2 can be slower than NET Core 3.1.

    I hope ARMv7 support won’t be removed in a near future. ARMv7 is still widely used in IoT

    In fact I would love to see ARMv6 support, I have a lot of ARMv6 hardware which I have to support, will probably have to stick with mono.

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      Richard LanderMicrosoft logo

      ARM32 support is safe! I see us supporting that for as long as Raspbian supports 32-bit as the default option, which seems like for a LONG TIME.

      ARMv6 is an option once we better integrate Mono with .NET 6. It is something I’ve had in mind for a while, but it’s not yet the next thing to go do.

      Please file issue reports on any sort of regression like that at dotnet/runtime. A focus on ARM64 doesn’t mean we are OK with ARM32 to getting worse!

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    Stilgar Naib

    As it relates to our approach, we intend to use clear language, be neutral to kind in our engagement, and encourage contribution. Are we getting this right? What would you like to see us do differently or better?

    I prefer the Linus approach where he insults people to ensure high quality patches. I think it works great.